‘We don’t need your clicks’: The Dispatch co-founder Steve Hayes on bucking the attention economy

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The attention economy hasn’t just proven to be a losing proposition for media businesses financially. It also encourages quick, outrage-based political coverage that thrives off of (and feeds) poor governance, according to Steve Hayes, CEO and co-founder of the Dispatch.

“Everything we’re seeing in our politics has an emphasis on performance,” Hayes said on the Digiday Podcast. “The economic incentives and business models that everyone has pursued in this space in the past 10-15 years have contributed pretty significantly to that.”

With the Dispatch — a newsletter-first media company that leans conservative — Hayes is aiming for subscribing members who aren’t monetized by the minutes they spend reading the company’s coverage.

“We don’t need your clicks. Come, learn and then go. Live your life,” Hayes said. The Dispatch put up a paywall in February, and now has 12,000 paying members — around 450 of them paid $1,500 for lifetime memberships when the company launched in October, according to Hayes. “It’s growing faster than we had anticipated.”

The membership model has also helped the Dispatch forgo venture capital or billionaire ownership, the risks of which Hayes learned first hand as the last editor-in-chief of the Weekly Standard, a conservative institution that billionaire owner Philip Anschutz shut it down in 2018.

The Dispatch and its staff of 12 aim for the same conservative readership. Despite concrete evidence of growing polarization, Hayes also gestures toward a middle ground in U.S. politics representing perhaps 70% to 75% of the U.S. population.

Here are highlights from the conversation, which have been lightly edited for clarity.

Aiming for a big middle ground

“You can go to some Twitter feeds and every single tweet will blame what’s happening on the Democrats. You can go to other ones, every single tweet will blame what’s happening on Antifa and the left. Reality is a lot more complicated than that. Our view is that 70% of America understands that reality is a lot more complicated than that and is willing to actually take a moment and think about these nuances and actually explore these things in greater depth. If you frame the question in such a way that you say ‘are you frustrated with what you’re seeing from national leaders and from our government generally?’ — you’re talking about 70% to 75% of people who say ‘yes.’ And we think that we’re speaking to those people, including people on the center left who might not agree with most of what we would come up with as policy prescriptions, but are willing to listen to what they would regard as sane conservatives. “

No venture capital

“We decided early — not early enough, probably — that we weren’t going to take any venture capital money because we were not building the kind of business that was conducive to hockey stick growth and we didn’t want venture capital investors coming at us and telling us to do the kinds of things that might get us there a bit faster. We set out to build something that would be slow and deliberate based primarily on reader revenue supplemented by events and sponsorships and growth from there. If this thing exists in 50 years and we’ve managed to keep its editorial integrity protected — and it makes money and we can pay our people well and provide good healthcare and we’re providing good journalism — I will consider that a success. “

Bite-sized coverage breeds bite-sized politics

“There’s no question that part of what’s incentivizing people to do the ‘so-and-so owned so-and-so’ two-paragraph story is that that gets them eyeballs and they can monetize that. But independent of that, everything we’re seeing in our politics has an emphasis on performance. It’s performative politics. Look at Congress. Congress is barely a legislative body anymore. They’ve ceded most of their power, willingly, to the executive branch. And what you have seemingly increasing numbers of members of Congress doing is trying to get contracts with one of the cable networks by saying things that will rile up the base and get them on television so they can write a book or get a contract or give paid speeches. So we’re seeing a lot more of that out of our political world in a way that exacerbates those existing, polarizing tensions as well. The economic incentives and business models that everyone has pursued in this space in the past 10-15 years have contributed pretty significantly to that.”

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